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October 01, 2008

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Callandresponse-1We enjoyed a special screening of Call and Response on Saturday night, at our special summit in Tahoe. Filmmaker Justin Dillion was there and talked about what he was thinking when he made this BRILLIANT film that opens around the country on October 10th in a limited number of cinemas. Its a GREAT film that tackles the subject of human trafficking in USA using music, story, and the philosophy of blues. It was the blues that I especially connected with and the wisdom of Dr Cornel West on the blues concept of call and response. Also good to see some well known celebrities speak up or sing out on human trafficking. Hope it does really well. Go see it, dammit!

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Actually, what Justin has accomplished in bringing in so many artists around this cause reminded me of what Ry Cooder did with Buena Vista Social Club . . .but with a serious social conscience. Ok - now watch the trailer




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Callandresponse-1We enjoyed a special screening of Call and Response on Saturday night, at our special summit in Tahoe. Filmmaker Justin Dillion was there and talked about what he was thinking when he made this BRILLIANT film that opens around the country on October 10th in a limited number of cinemas. Its a GREAT film that tackles the subject of human trafficking in USA using music, story, and the philosophy of blues. It was the blues that I especially connected with and the wisdom of Dr Cornel West on the blues concept of call and response. Also good to see some well known celebrities speak up or sing out on human trafficking. Hope it does really well. Go see it, dammit!

Call and Response on Facebook


Actually, what Justin has accomplished in bringing in so many artists around this cause reminded me of what Ry Cooder did with Buena Vista Social Club . . .but with a serious social conscience. Ok - now watch the trailer




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October 02, 2008

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Brad Sargent, while getting loopy on Frodo at our LOTR party in Silicon Valley last week, told me he was writing up a series of posts on the Lakeland Outpouring and what leadership might mean for the charismatic community after the fallout. Here is the series so far:


Kingdom Leadership After Lakeland

Part 1: Introduction

Part 2: Considering Various Sources (There are over 70 links in this one post.)

Part 3: Seven Lapses in Leadership and Discernment.

Part 4 and 5 are coming.


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Brad Sargent, while getting loopy on Frodo at our LOTR party in Silicon Valley last week, told me he was writing up a series of posts on the Lakeland Outpouring and what leadership might mean for the charismatic community after the fallout. Here is the series so far:


Kingdom Leadership After Lakeland

Part 1: Introduction

Part 2: Considering Various Sources (There are over 70 links in this one post.)

Part 3: Seven Lapses in Leadership and Discernment.

Part 4 and 5 are coming.


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October 03, 2008

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This is a screenshot from the Squat and Gobble coffee shop in the lower Haight. Just look at all those wifi signals! I remember back in 1995 when San Francisco had only 4 cyber-cafes and no Wifi at all.


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This is a screenshot from the Squat and Gobble coffee shop in the lower Haight. Just look at all those wifi signals! I remember back in 1995 when San Francisco had only 4 cyber-cafes and no Wifi at all.


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- Bible across America started this week. Zondervan are letting people write out the Bible in their own handwriting for a special edition of the NIV. The route they are taking around USA is quite similar to what we did ten years ago in our Winnebago. Hope they do well!


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- Steve Taylor (EmergentKiwi) on why he is still emergent

- Shapevine relaunches with a new look and plenty of online classes.

- Filmmaker David Di Sabatino [of Lonnie Frisbee fame] is showing a pre-screening of FALLEN ANGEL: The OUTLAW LARRY NORMAN at Wheaton College on Thursday, October 16th, 2008

- GEM hosts a virtual prayer walk for Europe on Oct 23rd.

- Impact the Nation Oct 9-11 in UK and its now FREE!

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- Bible across America started this week. Zondervan are letting people write out the Bible in their own handwriting for a special edition of the NIV. The route they are taking around USA is quite similar to what we did ten years ago in our Winnebago. Hope they do well!


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- Steve Taylor (EmergentKiwi) on why he is still emergent

- Shapevine relaunches with a new look and plenty of online classes.

- Filmmaker David Di Sabatino [of Lonnie Frisbee fame] is showing a pre-screening of FALLEN ANGEL: The OUTLAW LARRY NORMAN at Wheaton College on Thursday, October 16th, 2008

- GEM hosts a virtual prayer walk for Europe on Oct 23rd.

- Impact the Nation Oct 9-11 in UK and its now FREE!




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My friend Dan Kimball changes his hair grease and gets mentioned on BoingBoing.




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This month's header has a retro feel but actually I took the shot last weekend at Lake Tahoe.


Speaking of retro, Prodigal Jon thinks through the 5 stages of emailing an unintentionally funny video like this one below on the Stuff Christians Like blog. HT: Bob Carlton.


The band in question is called "Sonseed". They are a HUGE hit on YouTube with 4.5 stars and over 2300 comments. You can read the legend of the Sonseed video from Dougsploitation. Lyrics are here in case you want to sing along. Its going to be a close race for the most addictive Christian video on YouTube between this one and the Baptist preacher on "He That Pisseth Against the Wall".




UPDATE: Some people suspect the Sonseed video is probably a fake and this site reckons it fake also. What do you think?

- David Crowder plans to cover the song.

- Dougsploitation interviews original members of Sonseed.


Lovin' it? Me too. Now check out these music records I scored recently from a charity shop in Scotland. The last one is 1971 and is from a band in Ireland called The Branches.


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This month's header has a retro feel but actually I took the shot last weekend at Lake Tahoe.


Speaking of retro, Prodigal Jon thinks through the 5 stages of emailing an unintentionally funny video like this one below on the Stuff Christians Like blog. HT: Bob Carlton.


Sonseed Logo


The band in question is called "Sonseed". They are a HUGE hit on YouTube with 4.5 stars and over 2300 comments. You can read the legend of the Sonseed video from Dougsploitation. Lyrics are here in case you want to sing along. Its going to be a close race for the most addictive Christian video in 2008 on YouTube between this one and the Baptist preacher on "He That Pisseth Against the Wall".




UPDATE:

- One website reckons Sonseed is fake but Dougsploitation interviews the original members of Sonseed and it appears they are legit.

- David Crowder covered the song at his church

- Another church last month played the video alongside "A Thief in the Night".

- Download album from Cabel.


Lovin' it? Me too. Now check out these music records I scored recently from a charity shop in Scotland. These are Irish records from 1973 and 1971.


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My friend Dan Kimball changes his hair grease and gets mentioned on BoingBoing.

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October 04, 2008

http://tallskinnykiwi.typepad.com/tallskinnykiwi/2008/10/emerging-church.


Australia


"While I find much of value in the emerging, missional and neo-monastic conversations there is much that sits uneasy with me too, given where I am and where I have come from. I am seeking an understanding of postmodernity which is less monolithic than what I find the emergent stream is offering, I am seeking an approach to contemplative disciplines which is less Euro-centric than what I find the monastic stream is offering, and I am seeking an approach to church contextualization that is less tribal and more critical of the "homogenous unit principle" than what I find the missional stream is offering."

Matt Stone, Just to Explain . . . Hopefully, Glocal Christianity





South Africa


Regarding the current conversation about the term emerging, let’s just say that I don’t think the term is dead,"

Cobus Van Wyngaard, Emerging Alternative Communities for South Africa, My Contemplations

"When the conversation exploded a couple of days ago, I found Sine's four streams to be of a lot of help as well. As we were busy trying to get some "emerging" folks from around Pretoria and Johannesburg together, I realised that what we call "emerging" encompasses all four of Sine's streams. For us it isn't a tension yet. When we say "emerging" in our context, we tend to understand what it mean."

Cobus Van Wyngaard,, in comments


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New Zealand


"And I will look at them and part of me will want to cry. How could my efforts to be part of God's work, born for such a time as this, now be called dead. And part of me will want to hit over the head all the people who have stirred and misrepresented and fought over labels and words and used the web to spread disinformation and increase their blog ratings. And part of me will smile. What will they call the next thing, I wonder? And I will respond to the question by suggesting we turn to Acts 2 and Luke 10. I will suggest we stop worrying about what we call these "new forms of church." Instead we think about what it means for us to be obedient to the mission of God, because we are born "for such a time as this.""

Steve Taylor, Why I'm Emergentkiwi (still), EmergentKiwi





UK



"Whether you are catholic, house church, an naissant/proto emerging church, we are all the emerging church, with a deep ecumencalism, helping each other respond to similar contextual problems. Trying to form churches that see people find and grow in love and orientation around Jesus.

. . . But the emerging church can become so broad, that it loses it’s meaning. It does seem that almost anyone and anything is called emerging church these days. I’m still more comfortable with this broader and generous delineation though. But I sense many are thinking of moving beyond the emerging church, due to it’s dilution."


Jason Clark, Beyond the Emerging Church?, Deep Church





Canada


"This present “evolution” of the emerging church may not be (read: is rather known not to be) its final stage, but it does represent a form of maturation from where it was. Not a complete maturation, of course, but the maturation in a specific area. Considering that those within the movement are continuing to pursue this same course of “emerging” into a revised form of church, we may conclude that there remains some life yet in the old dog."

Brother Maynard, Emergent Terminology: It’s Not About Terminology, Subversive Influence


USA


"As for me- I don't know if I'm done with the phrase "emerging church" yet- but just about. I know that when I say it, I'm more often than not now answering a question about what we aren't than what we are about- and that saddens me."

Bob Hyatt, Look who's done with words like Emergent, bob.blog

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Australia


"While I find much of value in the emerging, missional and neo-monastic conversations there is much that sits uneasy with me too, given where I am and where I have come from. I am seeking an understanding of postmodernity which is less monolithic than what I find the emergent stream is offering, I am seeking an approach to contemplative disciplines which is less Euro-centric than what I find the monastic stream is offering, and I am seeking an approach to church contextualization that is less tribal and more critical of the "homogenous unit principle" than what I find the missional stream is offering."

Matt Stone, Just to Explain . . . Hopefully, Glocal Christianity





South Africa


Regarding the current conversation about the term emerging, let’s just say that I don’t think the term is dead,"

Cobus Van Wyngaard, Emerging Alternative Communities for South Africa, My Contemplations

"When the conversation exploded a couple of days ago, I found Sine's four streams to be of a lot of help as well. As we were busy trying to get some "emerging" folks from around Pretoria and Johannesburg together, I realised that what we call "emerging" encompasses all four of Sine's streams. For us it isn't a tension yet. When we say "emerging" in our context, we tend to understand what it mean."

Cobus Van Wyngaard,, in comments


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New Zealand


"And I will look at them and part of me will want to cry. How could my efforts to be part of God's work, born for such a time as this, now be called dead. And part of me will want to hit over the head all the people who have stirred and misrepresented and fought over labels and words and used the web to spread disinformation and increase their blog ratings. And part of me will smile. What will they call the next thing, I wonder? And I will respond to the question by suggesting we turn to Acts 2 and Luke 10. I will suggest we stop worrying about what we call these "new forms of church." Instead we think about what it means for us to be obedient to the mission of God, because we are born "for such a time as this.""

Steve Taylor, Why I'm Emergentkiwi (still), EmergentKiwi





UK



"Whether you are catholic, house church, an naissant/proto emerging church, we are all the emerging church, with a deep ecumencalism, helping each other respond to similar contextual problems. Trying to form churches that see people find and grow in love and orientation around Jesus.

. . . But the emerging church can become so broad, that it loses it’s meaning. It does seem that almost anyone and anything is called emerging church these days. I’m still more comfortable with this broader and generous delineation though. But I sense many are thinking of moving beyond the emerging church, due to it’s dilution."


Jason Clark, Beyond the Emerging Church?, Deep Church





Canada


"This present “evolution” of the emerging church may not be (read: is rather known not to be) its final stage, but it does represent a form of maturation from where it was. Not a complete maturation, of course, but the maturation in a specific area. Considering that those within the movement are continuing to pursue this same course of “emerging” into a revised form of church, we may conclude that there remains some life yet in the old dog."

Brother Maynard, Emergent Terminology: It’s Not About Terminology, Subversive Influence


USA


"As for me- I don't know if I'm done with the phrase "emerging church" yet- but just about. I know that when I say it, I'm more often than not now answering a question about what we aren't than what we are about- and that saddens me."

Bob Hyatt, Look who's done with words like Emergent, bob.blog




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Listening today to a CD from John Abel called More Than This. Jon was the songleader at last weekend's Summit in Tahoe. Lovely guy. Great worship leader. Christianity Today also liked him.


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October 05, 2008

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In Saudi Arabia, blogger "Rania" was burned alive for her new faith in Jesus Christ a few days after her blog post. HT: Open Doors magazine Frontline, Oct 2008.


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October 06, 2008

http://tallskinnykiwi.typepad.com/tallskinnykiwi/2008/10/10-commandments.


HT: Clerical Whispers shares the story behind the 10 commandments of blogging loosely developed at the Godblogs event in England which was hosted by the Evangelical Alliance. The commandments were given in a "tongue-in-cheek" manner, a bit like my "Blogger's Prayer" back in 2002, but they are pretty good nonetheless.


MosesskThe 10 Commandments of Blogging:

You shall not put your blog before your integrity.

You shall not make an idol of your blog.

You shall not misuse your screen name by using your anonymity to sin.

Remember the Sabbath day by taking one day off a week from your blog.

Honour your fellow-bloggers above yourselves and do not give undue significance to their mistakes.

You shall not murder someone else’s honour, reputation or feelings.

You shall not use the web to commit or permit adultery in your mind.

You shall not steal another person’s content.

You shall not give false testimony against your fellow-blogger.

You shall not covet your neighbour's blog ranking. Be content with your own content.


Like the image of Moses? Me too! In fact, I found myself COVETING it! I IDOLIZED it! I would have KILLED for it! And eventually, I decided to dishonor my parents by stealing it and then reselling it on the Sabbath. Nahhh . . just kidding . . God knows my witness is false. Actually, the image is from Times Online.


UPDATE:
Richard Hall points to news articles on the Times and Telegraph as well as some other blogger's comments. Running commentary by Phil at ThinkHammer. Even better, Ben at Faith and Theology comes up with his own ten commandments. Where the heck was I when all this was going on? Oh yeah - I was in USA having just participated in GodblogCon, another Christian blogging conference on the other side of the pond.


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HT: Clerical Whispers shares the story behind the 10 commandments of blogging loosely developed at the Godblogs event in England which was hosted by the Evangelical Alliance. The commandments were given in a "tongue-in-cheek" manner, a bit like my "Blogger's Prayer" back in 2002, but they are pretty good nonetheless.


MosesskThe 10 Commandments of Blogging:

You shall not put your blog before your integrity.

You shall not make an idol of your blog.

You shall not misuse your screen name by using your anonymity to sin.

Remember the Sabbath day by taking one day off a week from your blog.

Honour your fellow-bloggers above yourselves and do not give undue significance to their mistakes.

You shall not murder someone else’s honour, reputation or feelings.

You shall not use the web to commit or permit adultery in your mind.

You shall not steal another person’s content.

You shall not give false testimony against your fellow-blogger.

You shall not covet your neighbour's blog ranking. Be content with your own content.


Like the image of Moses? Me too! In fact, I found myself COVETING it! I IDOLIZED it! I would have KILLED for it! And eventually, I decided to dishonor my parents by stealing it and then reselling it on the Sabbath. Nahhh . . just kidding . . God knows my witness is false. Actually, the image is from Times Online.


UPDATE:
Richard Hall points to news articles on the Times and Telegraph as well as some other blogger's comments. Running commentary by Phil at ThinkHammer. Even better, Ben at Faith and Theology comes up with his own ten commandments. Where the heck was I when all this was going on? Oh yeah - I was in USA having just participated in GodblogCon, another Christian blogging conference on the other side of the pond.


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October 07, 2008

http://tallskinnykiwi.typepad.com/tallskinnykiwi/2008/10/fair-trade-gold.


"Customers don't realize that one wedding ring weighs 10 grams and causes three tonnes of toxic waste,"

Greg Valerio, Reuters


Greg-ValerioMy friend Greg Valerio of Cred Jewellery, who I have mentioned before, is in Los Angeles over the next few days, meeting with entrepreneurs and venture capitalists regarding some new social enterprises in the fair trade gold and jewellery sector. If you want to meet with him, email info@credjewellery.com


I saw Greg last August at the wedding blessing I was performing. It was quite intimidating for me because I have heard Greg say that the church is partly to blame for our current injustices since it insists on wedding rings, and usually without thought to where they came from or how they were mined. So when I asked the groom, "Do you have the rings" it was one of those moments when you really didn't want Greg Valerio in the audience. Of course, nothing happened and Greg didn't jump up and demand to know the origin of the rings. [I am sure the bride and groom had thought it through]. Although we did have a good chat on fair-trade and slave-free issues afterwards over a drink and managed to solve most of the worlds problems.


Question:How much more does one pay for a fair trade gold ring?

Answer: About 10% more than common prices and 15% below top luxury brands like Tiffany


Blurb: "Greg Valerio is a prominent campaigner in the Association for Responsible Mining (ARM), currently fighting for the rigorous gold-mining standards he has helped develop to be adopted by the international Fairtrade Labelling Organisation (FLO)." From Developments.


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"Customers don't realize that one wedding ring weighs 10 grams and causes three tonnes of toxic waste,"

Greg Valerio, Reuters


Greg-ValerioMy friend Greg Valerio of Cred Jewellery, who I have mentioned before, is in Los Angeles over the next few days, meeting with entrepreneurs and venture capitalists regarding some new social enterprises in the fair trade gold and jewellery sector. If you want to meet with him, email info@credjewellery.com


I saw Greg last August at the wedding blessing I was performing. It was quite intimidating for me because I have heard Greg say that the church is partly to blame for our current injustices since it insists on wedding rings, and usually without thought to where they came from or how they were mined. So when I asked the groom, "Do you have the rings" it was one of those moments when you really didn't want Greg Valerio in the audience. Of course, nothing happened and Greg didn't jump up and demand to know the origin of the rings. [I am sure the bride and groom had thought it through]. Although we did have a good chat on fair-trade and slave-free issues afterwards over a drink and managed to solve most of the worlds problems.


Question:How much more does one pay for a fair trade gold ring?

Answer: About 10% more than common prices and 15% below top luxury brands like Tiffany


Blurb: "Greg Valerio is a prominent campaigner in the Association for Responsible Mining (ARM), currently fighting for the rigorous gold-mining standards he has helped develop to be adopted by the international Fairtrade Labelling Organisation (FLO)." From Developments.


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We are a bit shaken up over the HPV Vaccination, sometimes called the HPV Jab. It supposedly immunises young women against sexually transmitted disease that can lead to genital warts and cervical cancer but is not yet proven. However, for a number of reasons, my wife and I "opted out" by checking the 'No' box on the consent form, and our 13 year old daughter also decided NOT to get the jab. We figured with both parents and daughter against the idea, the jabbing would pass us by. But then she went to school and some anonymous doctor jabbed her anyway.


We have no overt moral or spiritual issue with the immunization itself and, along with the FRC, we don't believe that the HPV immunisation necessarily leads to promiscuity. We do, however, have a problem with mandatory or coerced vaccination against the will of the child or the parents. But we were told we could "opt out" so we didn't give it much thought.


On the day, our 13 year old daughter, who by the way has Type-1 Diabetes, was taken aside from the other girls and told by the doctor that she was the only girl in her year who had handed in a consent form with a cross in the 'No' box. As they started to talk, and without being asked if she wanted it, the doctor jabbed her.


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We have serious issues with this relatively untested and unproven drug Cervarix. Finding answers to basic questions like "How will it affect our Type-1 diabetic pre-adolescent daughter?" has proven impossible for us and I can only assume, unless the one of the 158 pre-adolescent [10-14 year] test candidates had Type-1 diabetes, that our daughter is now the gullible guinea pig who will test this product for the much larger international market.


On the internet we call that "beta testing", although we are talking about our daughter, not a new web application.


"Coerced vaccination is not justified because there is no public health emergency. Similarly, forcing an intervention over an adolescent's objections is not justified because it fails to respect the adolescent as a maturing individual." BMJ (British Medical Journal)


We shared our story with a social worker and he suggested reporting it to the police as a case of abuse. We went over to our school today to discuss it with them. The head teacher was shocked and apologetic and offered to talk to the NHS. Obviously the school is not to blame and has been kept in the dark.


The BMJ suggested that "the most controversial situation is when an adolescent seeks the vaccine without parental permission." But even more controversial is what happened to our child in Scotland, when the vaccination was given AGAINST the written permission of both the parents AND against the will of the adolescent, or in this case, the pre-adolescent.


Opting Out

The Government says that the vaccine will be offered to all girls in the selected age range but that parents will be given the opportunity to "opt out" if they do not want their child to receive the jabs. "It will be voluntary" the Telegraph reports, and yet the paragraph following states that "non-compliance" could undermine the project.


Choice-Hpv-ImmunizationI guess we were "non-compliant"

but I like to think of it as "pro-choice".


I was thinking that maybe we could have prevented the abuse of our daughter by not sending in the consent form at all. But then we chatted with one of our kid's friends who also got jabbed, despite her not wanting it and despite her father refusing to sing the consent form. I guess we are not the only ones.


Can We Really Opt Out? The brochure given to the 12-13 year olds called "Arm Against Cervical Cancer" [download as PDF] promises that parents can "opt out". It reads:

"You may be given a consent form that your parents should sign giving permission for you to have the vaccination. It’s important that you return the signed form before your vaccination is due. If your parents are not sure that you should have the vaccination you should still return the form and speak to your nurse, doctor or other healthcare professional. Having the vaccination now will help protect you against the most common causes of cervical cancer for many years."


What does that mean, anyway? If your parents say 'No', then you should speak to the medical professionals to get a second opinion? Sounds like we were outranked by someone with a stethoscope around their neck!

But surely its illegal, even in this country, to ignore the parents consent when the 'young woman' involved has only just turned 13 years old?


So, from our experience with the first jab, this is how it looks to me:

- If your daughter refuses the vaccination, she is young and incapable of making the right decision so JAB HER ANYWAY. [So says Dr Frank on Yahoo Answers]

- If your parents refuse to permit the vaccination, they are old and too stupid to make the right decision so JAB HER ANYWAY.

- If both daughter and parents refuse the vaccination, JAB HER ANYWAY and hope that no one says anything.


Any way you look at it, our daughters are going to get jabbed unless they have the gumption to stand up for their right to choose for themselves. Or someone else stands up for them. Or we keep them out of school on the jabbing day.


Side Effects?

The brochure suggests the side effects are " quite mild – usually just stinging and soreness in the arm that soon wears off. Hundreds of thousands of young women in the USA and other countries have already had their vaccinations. Studies have shown that the vaccination is very safe." But what the brochure doesnt tell you about those young women in the USA is that over 20 died and thousands of others now have serious permanent injuries.


After the jab, our daughter and 2 friends had immediate side effects, including a hot and cold flashes and dizziness, but they was told it was in their minds. Headaches have continued almost daily since the jab and a few days ago she had a very serious seizure during the night. We were just glad she was sleeping in our bed. She slept in our bed last night also, just in case another seizure happened, and she will probably sleep in our bed again tonight. And we dont really know if the seizure or headaches are related to the jab or rather to her diabetes. But we are still worried and information is scarce.


My advice?

1. Do Your Own Research!

2. Find information websites that allow comments and stories of real people who are not paid to say only positive things about HPV vaccinations.

3. If you don't want your daughter jabbed, or if she doesnt want to get jabbed, don't send her to school on the day of jabbing because the permission form might not be worth the paper it is written on.

4. Make a copy of your consent form before your daughter hands it in and it disappears into space.

5. If your story is similar to ours, tell someone.


Read on to see some of the things I found about about this vaccination.


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More info

Having done a little research to see exactly what substance they shot into our daughter's arm, we are a little worried. And we have a feeling we are not the only ones. If you are looking for more information on the subject, this is what I have found so far:


The HPV immunization process rolled out a few weeks ago across England, Scotland, Northern Ireland and Wales. They are starting with Scottish 12-13 year old girls, like our daughter, and then working upwards over the next few years. I heard the next jabbing where we live (Orkney Islands, Scotland) is October 31, 2008.


HPV stands for human papillomavirus which affects the skin and mucous membranes. There are about 130 types but about 30-40 HPV types are typically transmitted through sexual contact and some may cause genital warts. Persistent infection with "high-risk" HPV types may progress to lesions and cervical cancer. Wikipedia suggests the Cervarix vaccinations given in the UK protect against two types of HPV (16 and 18).


But there is no proven clinical evidence that it actually works and the side effects can be dangerous and even fatal.


Brawndo01


It reminds me of the movie Idiocracy.

Attorney General: “Brawndo’s got what plants crave.”

Secretary of Energy: “Yeah, it’s got electrolytes.”

Joe: “What are electrolytes? Do you even know?”

Secretary of State: “It’s what they use to make Brawndo.”

Joe: “Yeah, but why do they use them to make Brawndo?”

Secretary of Defense: “‘Cause Brawndo’s got electrolytes.”

[Script] [MP3]


I agree with Alan Johnson of the Department of Health who said "prevention is always better than cure" but the vaccination is not the only way and it is not even the best way to prevent infection. The Cancer Society has said that "the vaccines don't prevent infection with all types of HPV" and the best form of prevention is either abstinence from sexual activity and/or a monogamous relationship with an uninfected individual. Why cant the medical authorities offer the possibility of abstinence or fidelity as a reasonable alternative to the vaccination? Why cant they even mention it in their publications? Its that "non-compliance"?



Some quotes

"Twenty girls died within a few days of receiving Gardasil, which has a similar make-up to Cervarix, although the deaths were dismissed as coincidence by the manufacturer, Merck." Why I won't let my girls have these cancer jabs



“This big push is making people crazy — thinking they’re bad moms if they don’t get their kids vaccinated,” Dr. Abby Lippman, McGill University, BlogDial: Sticking it to the kids



The Department of Health refused to reveal the cost of the vaccine, which it said was "commercially confidential" Telegraph


Some answers

In the USA, HPV immunization is required of immigrants seeking a green card but not of citizens. But there are some public schools pushing for mandatory vaccination for their students. Gardasil is the drug of choice. The Family Research Council has an excellent resource page on HPV with a page of questions and answers. These three questions seemed most appropriate.


Q: How is genital HPV infection associated with cervical cancer?

A: Sexually transmitted HPV has been shown to be present in virtually all cases of cervical cancer and is the leading cause of cervical cancer. High risk HPV types 16 and 18 cause 70 percent of cervical cancer cases. [Human Papillomavirus: HPV Information for Clinicians, PDF, page 1]

Q: How can a person be best protected from acquiring genital HPV?

A: Limiting sexual activity to the context of one faithful and monogamous long-term relationship with an uninfected individual is the single most effective method of preventing HPV infection.

Q: Does FRC support mandatory HPV vaccination?

A: No. We feel that a mandate infringes on the right of parents to make decisions regarding their children's medical care. Since genital HPV is not spread by casual contact, but rather is a sexually transmitted infection, there is not sufficient public health justification to require vaccination for school attendance. It may also lead them to believe that the vaccine is the only available way to reduce the risk of cervical cancer, which is untrue.


Some links worth checking out

Pharmalot reports: A Catholic school banned the immunisation on its premises

Serious Health Concerns about the cervical cancer jab, Mail Online

Parents Refuse "Cervarix" cervical Cancer Jab, Trusted, MD

BBC article shows that Cervarix won over Gardasil in the UK.

The Times has a good article.

Vaccination of schoolgirls for HPV using Cervarix ® should be stopped. NOW

Video: Number One Google Search Result today is Gardasil HPV Vaccine Hoax Exposed

Is HPV Vaccine Safe? [Gardasil side effects)

HPV Jab side effects


I have some questions:

Why are they jabbing our kids in the schools by anonymous medical teams when our family doctor, who we know and trust, could adminster or at least oversee the vaccinations?

Why use the schools when the school authorities are completely powerless and cant even tell us when the next jabbing will occur?

Why sign and submit a permission slip when the doctor is going to jab them anyway?

Why is the government and the NHS so insistent that everyone get jabbed with a relatively new and untested vaccine?

Has the vaccine ever been tested on young girls with Type-1 diabetes like my daughter and what were the results?

And most importantly, Are there any other parents out there who chose to "opt out", crossed the "No" box on their consent form, and yet watched their daughter come home from school rubbing her arm?

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We are a bit shaken up over the HPV Vaccination, sometimes called the HPV Jab. It supposedly immunises young women against sexually transmitted disease that can lead to genital warts and cervical cancer but is not yet proven. However, for a number of reasons, my wife and I "opted out" by checking the 'No' box on the consent form, and our 13 year old daughter also decided NOT to get the jab. We figured with both parents and daughter against the idea, the jabbing would pass us by. But then she went to school and some anonymous doctor jabbed her anyway.


We have no overt moral or spiritual issue with the immunization itself and, along with the FRC, we don't believe that the HPV immunisation necessarily leads to promiscuity. We do, however, have a problem with mandatory or coerced vaccination against the will of the child or the parents. But we were told we could "opt out" so we didn't give it much thought.


On the day, our 13 year old daughter, who by the way has Type-1 Diabetes, was taken aside from the other girls and told by the doctor that she was the only girl in her year who had handed in a consent form with a cross in the 'No' box. As they started to talk, and without being asked if she wanted it, the doctor jabbed her.


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We have serious issues with this relatively untested and unproven drug Cervarix. Finding answers to basic questions like "How will it affect our Type-1 diabetic pre-adolescent daughter?" has proven impossible for us and I can only assume, unless the one of the 158 pre-adolescent [10-14 year] test candidates had Type-1 diabetes, that our daughter is now the gullible guinea pig who will test this product for the much larger international market.


On the internet we call that "beta testing", although we are talking about our daughter, not a new web application.


"Coerced vaccination is not justified because there is no public health emergency. Similarly, forcing an intervention over an adolescent's objections is not justified because it fails to respect the adolescent as a maturing individual." BMJ (British Medical Journal)


We shared our story with a social worker and he suggested reporting it to the police as a case of abuse. We went over to our school today to discuss it with them. The head teacher was shocked and apologetic and offered to talk to the NHS. Obviously the school is not to blame and has been kept in the dark.


The BMJ suggested that "the most controversial situation is when an adolescent seeks the vaccine without parental permission." But even more controversial is what happened to our child in Scotland, when the vaccination was given AGAINST the written permission of both the parents AND against the will of the adolescent, or in this case, the pre-adolescent.


Opting Out

The Government says that the vaccine will be offered to all girls in the selected age range but that parents will be given the opportunity to "opt out" if they do not want their child to receive the jabs. "It will be voluntary" the Telegraph reports, and yet the paragraph following states that "non-compliance" could undermine the project.


Choice-Hpv-ImmunizationI guess we were "non-compliant"

but I like to think of it as "pro-choice".


I was thinking that maybe we could have prevented the abuse of our daughter by not sending in the consent form at all. But then we chatted with one of our kid's friends who also got jabbed, despite her not wanting it and despite her father refusing to sing the consent form. I guess we are not the only ones.


Can We Really Opt Out? The brochure given to the 12-13 year olds called "Arm Against Cervical Cancer" [download as PDF] promises that parents can "opt out". It reads:

"You may be given a consent form that your parents should sign giving permission for you to have the vaccination. It’s important that you return the signed form before your vaccination is due. If your parents are not sure that you should have the vaccination you should still return the form and speak to your nurse, doctor or other healthcare professional. Having the vaccination now will help protect you against the most common causes of cervical cancer for many years."


What does that mean, anyway? If your parents say 'No', then you should speak to the medical professionals to get a second opinion? Sounds like we were outranked by someone with a stethoscope around their neck!

But surely its illegal, even in this country, to ignore the parents consent when the 'young woman' involved has only just turned 13 years old?


So, from our experience with the first jab, this is how it looks to me:

- If your daughter refuses the vaccination, she is young and incapable of making the right decision so JAB HER ANYWAY. [So says Dr Frank on Yahoo Answers]

- If your parents refuse to permit the vaccination, they are old and too stupid to make the right decision so JAB HER ANYWAY.

- If both daughter and parents refuse the vaccination, JAB HER ANYWAY and hope that no one says anything.


Any way you look at it, our daughters are going to get jabbed unless they have the gumption to stand up for their right to choose for themselves. Or someone else stands up for them. Or we keep them out of school on the jabbing day.


Side Effects?

The brochure suggests the side effects are " quite mild – usually just stinging and soreness in the arm that soon wears off. Hundreds of thousands of young women in the USA and other countries have already had their vaccinations. Studies have shown that the vaccination is very safe." But what the brochure doesnt tell you about those young women in the USA is that over 20 died and thousands of others now have serious permanent injuries.


After the jab, our daughter and 2 friends had immediate side effects, including a hot and cold flashes and dizziness, but they was told it was in their minds. Headaches have continued almost daily since the jab and a few days ago she had a very serious seizure during the night. We were just glad she was sleeping in our bed. She slept in our bed last night also, just in case another seizure happened, and she will probably sleep in our bed again tonight. And we dont really know if the seizure or headaches are related to the jab or rather to her diabetes. But we are still worried and information is scarce.


My advice?

1. Do Your Own Research!

2. Find information websites that allow comments and stories of real people who are not paid to say only positive things about HPV vaccinations.

3. If you don't want your daughter jabbed, or if she doesnt want to get jabbed, don't send her to school on the day of jabbing because the permission form might not be worth the paper it is written on.

4. Make a copy of your consent form before your daughter hands it in and it disappears into space.

5. If your story is similar to ours, tell someone.


Read on to see some of the things I found about about this vaccination.


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More info

Having done a little research to see exactly what substance they shot into our daughter's arm, we are a little worried. And we have a feeling we are not the only ones. If you are looking for more information on the subject, this is what I have found so far:


The HPV immunization process rolled out a few weeks ago across England, Scotland, Northern Ireland and Wales. They are starting with Scottish 12-13 year old girls, like our daughter, and then working upwards over the next few years. I heard the next jabbing where we live (Orkney Islands, Scotland) is October 31, 2008.


HPV stands for human papillomavirus which affects the skin and mucous membranes. There are about 130 types but about 30-40 HPV types are typically transmitted through sexual contact and some may cause genital warts. Persistent infection with "high-risk" HPV types may progress to lesions and cervical cancer. Wikipedia suggests the Cervarix vaccinations given in the UK protect against two types of HPV (16 and 18).


But there is no proven clinical evidence that it actually works and the side effects can be dangerous and even fatal.


Brawndo01


It reminds me of the movie Idiocracy.

Attorney General: “Brawndo’s got what plants crave.”

Secretary of Energy: “Yeah, it’s got electrolytes.”

Joe: “What are electrolytes? Do you even know?”

Secretary of State: “It’s what they use to make Brawndo.”

Joe: “Yeah, but why do they use them to make Brawndo?”

Secretary of Defense: “‘Cause Brawndo’s got electrolytes.”

[Script] [MP3]


I agree with Alan Johnson of the Department of Health who said "prevention is always better than cure" but the vaccination is not the only way and it is not even the best way to prevent infection. The Cancer Society has said that "the vaccines don't prevent infection with all types of HPV" and the best form of prevention is either abstinence from sexual activity and/or a monogamous relationship with an uninfected individual. Why cant the medical authorities offer the possibility of abstinence or fidelity as a reasonable alternative to the vaccination? Why cant they even mention it in their publications? Its that "non-compliance"?



Some quotes

"Twenty girls died within a few days of receiving Gardasil, which has a similar make-up to Cervarix, although the deaths were dismissed as coincidence by the manufacturer, Merck." Why I won't let my girls have these cancer jabs



“This big push is making people crazy — thinking they’re bad moms if they don’t get their kids vaccinated,” Dr. Abby Lippman, McGill University, BlogDial: Sticking it to the kids



The Department of Health refused to reveal the cost of the vaccine, which it said was "commercially confidential" Telegraph


Some answers

In the USA, HPV immunization is required of immigrants seeking a green card but not of citizens. But there are some public schools pushing for mandatory vaccination for their students. Gardasil is the drug of choice. The Family Research Council has an excellent resource page on HPV with a page of questions and answers. These three questions seemed most appropriate.


Q: How is genital HPV infection associated with cervical cancer?

A: Sexually transmitted HPV has been shown to be present in virtually all cases of cervical cancer and is the leading cause of cervical cancer. High risk HPV types 16 and 18 cause 70 percent of cervical cancer cases. [Human Papillomavirus: HPV Information for Clinicians, PDF, page 1]

Q: How can a person be best protected from acquiring genital HPV?

A: Limiting sexual activity to the context of one faithful and monogamous long-term relationship with an uninfected individual is the single most effective method of preventing HPV infection.

Q: Does FRC support mandatory HPV vaccination?

A: No. We feel that a mandate infringes on the right of parents to make decisions regarding their children's medical care. Since genital HPV is not spread by casual contact, but rather is a sexually transmitted infection, there is not sufficient public health justification to require vaccination for school attendance. It may also lead them to believe that the vaccine is the only available way to reduce the risk of cervical cancer, which is untrue.


Some links worth checking out

Pharmalot reports: A Catholic school banned the immunisation on its premises